First civilian Governor of Kaduna State and Presidential candidate of
the defunct Peoples Redemption Party (PRP), Alhaji Abdulkadiri Balarabe
Musa, in his characteristic way of x-raying the government of the
country took a swipe on the federal government controlled by the All
Progressives
Congress (APC); he declared that APC cannot succeed in the war against
corruption because the leaders are corrupt. Musa further said the former
President Goodluck Jonathan saved Nigeria in the 2015 General
Elections.
He unequivocally stated that the APC spent more money that the Peoples
Democratic Party (PDP) in the 2015 General Elections in winning the
President.
The elections have come and gone, what is your perception of the current state of the nation?
Well, first and foremost, it has been mixed feelings
since after the elections. Yes, it was good we had the elections
otherwise the story would have been different. Nigeria would have been
in a terrible situation if the elections did not hold. What saved us was
President Goodluck Jonathan who conceded defeat and congratulated
Buhari, the winner. But then, the rest of the issues, which is the
state of the nation, are still negative in all respects. Nothing has
changed; things still remained the same in this country. The 2015
election does not have any promise to Nigerians. If you are one of those
Nigerians that rely on wishful thinking, you can say the election has
some promises for you but I don’t think so. Take for example the
inaugural statement of President Muhammadu Buhari, he said he has not
promised to do anything. His speech was too ritualistic, the same words
we have been hearing from past leaders, be it civilian or military.
His statement was not qualitative enough to convince Nigerians that
something different has come.
He said in his speech “I will improve on
education,” So what? Past leaders have told us that before but did they
improve the education in the country? The question is how are you going
to improve on education? Nigerians need specific road map and targets; I
mean qualitative targets like declaring that education from primary to
tertiary level is now free not a blanket speech that holds nothing for
anybody. I very much doubt it.
Your wish for this country has always been free, fair and credible elections, how will you describe the 2015 general elections?
This is the ridiculous thing that happened and that is why I remain
critical. The 2015 elections were actually peaceful if you compare it
with other elections yet we recorded deaths and other social disorders.
Nigerians expected worst things than what happened in the 2011 general
elections but it didn’t happen because nobody cared about the elections.
Only very few Nigerians cared and participated. Out of 70 million
registered voters, only 28 million cared to go and vote; and out of the
28 million only 15 million voted for the President; 55 million never
cared to go and vote. The level of apathy was very high. It shows that
the people did not even care for the elections. Informed Nigerians,
especially the media, didn’t take that into account in assessing the
real situation but that was what happened. How do you claim free, fair
and transparent elections in a situation when out of 70 million
registered voters only 15 million actually voted for the President, yet,
you claim this is free, fair and transparent election? There was also
the deciding role of money power that took place during the elections.
It was money power that decided who won the elections.
If you said money played a major role, one would have expected the
incumbent to be at an advantage as a sitting President. How did it
happen?
Both parties displayed money power during the elections. Both PDP and
APC used unimaginable sum of money during the elections. I stand to be
corrected; it may interest you that APC used more money than PDP. It was
their money that decided the winner. The only thing, I believe and I
know it has been proven to be so, is that PDP for strategic reasons
decided to withdraw from power and let APC take over and grapple with
the problems in the country because PDP has failed woefully to tackle
the problems. One of the reasons they decided to let go power was
because they know that if PDP had won the elections, Nigeria’s situation
today would have been different. That was why instead of venturing into
the looming danger, PDP preferred to wait and fight another day. They
are already talking of returning in 2019.
When taken into account, the
fundamental reality, APC did not really defeat PDP in the 2015
elections. PDP tactically withdrew and merely allowed APC to take over.
PDP knows that if they had returned, there would have been massive
violence in all the northern states.
Remember what happened in the North during the campaign for 2011
elections. The media is not really educating the people on the true
situation of things. Remember the incidents after the 2011 Presidential
elections, particularly, in the North West, North East and some parts of
North Central, PDP leaders were attacked openly and their property
destroyed in large scale. There was an inquiry by the Federal
Government and at the end, the Federal Government compensated PDP
leaders throughout the North heavily after those who were involved in
the anarchy were arrested and investigated. The Federal Government knew
who were responsible in organizing that 2011 post-Presidential election
violence but nothing happened to those that were arrested, instead they
were paid heavy compensation by the PDP government. PDP government
couldn’t take any action against the organizers of that violence because
they were preparing to hand over power in 2015. They knew that and some
of us knew it too.
Before the 2015 elections, it was reported that the group you led
split over who to support, Jonathan or Buhari, how did you manage that?
No, there was no split. We had National Executive Committee meeting in
Uyo, Akwa Ibom State, and decided through voting. 26 states voted in
favour of the PDP at the Presidency while other voted for APC for the
presidency. We also agreed that states’ leaders should decide on whom
they will support in their respective states.
Now that Buhari is in charge, do you think he can solve the problems of this country?
No! I don’t think so. No single person can do it in Nigeria without a
revolution. It is not just Buhari but anybody. Even I cannot handle the
situation without a revolution. When I say a revolution I mean
fundamental change. For instance, you have to change the social,
economic and political systems controlling all developments in this
country and the leadership produced by the system.
From one base to
another, self-interest first; to one base on public interest first. You
have to bring about that change. You have to change the economic system.
In the system now, public interest has been relegated to third. To
change it effectively, we have to bring the leadership of the state in
the economy to ensure peace, equality, justice and dignity of the human
person and progressing even development in the whole country. Is Buhari
prepared for that?
Can you effect such change without a revolution? We have a situation
where the rich and powerful that are so mindless, selfish and so
entrenched that they will oppose everything to bring about this
leadership of the state in the economy.
Take for instance, the present
controversy at the National Assembly where members are demanding
wardrobe allowance amounting to N9 billion. Wardrobe allowance means
clothing allowance for each senator will have over N21 million while
House of
Representatives will have over N17 million. When you have leaders like
this, produced by a system based on self-interest, how can you change
the reality without a revolution because those who are enriching
themselves will resist any change and it can be violent. The change we
want must be revolutionary in nature. So, the way it is now, Buhari has
no answer to Nigeria’s problems.
APC promised Nigerians that they have come to fight and eradicate corruption. Do you think APC can achieve this?
How can you fight corruption with corrupt leadership? It is not
possible. You cannot do it because you are also corrupt. They are not
free from being corrupt. About 80 per cent of APC and PDP leaders are
all before the three anti-corruption agencies, ICPC, EFCC and Code of
Conduct. So, you can see that they cannot fight corruption because they
are corrupt.
Are you saying that the present APC leadership is
corrupt?
Was PDP leadership corrupt? The answer is yes, it was; and 70
to 80% of the APC leadership now came from the PDP. Invariably, what we
have today is not APC but PDP one (1) and PDP two (2). Now, APC has the
majority in the Senate yet they couldn’t elect APC Senate President
without the support of PDP. So, it is clear that they have now started
working together.
The APC which defeated PDP yesterday is today working
with the PDP and rely on PDP to perform, what do you expect.
Nothing will change without a fundamental change and a fundamental
change in this case means revolution, I hope when it comes, it will be
peaceful. With this outrageous demand of wardrobe allowance, Nigerians
can organise themselves in such a way that National Assembly after they
have
passed the law or at the process of passing the law, Nigerians can act
within their constitutional right to remove such bad government.
Many
people don’t know how this mindless corrupt system came to be in
Nigeria. After the election in 1979, that is the Second Republic,
members of the National Assembly led by Joseph Wayas, who was the Senate
President then, demanded the right to fix their own remunerations.
Shehu Shagari, who was the President then, saw the danger in it and he
told them that he was against it but the senators insisted.
So, when we had the National Economic Council meeting which was made up
of state governors, vice president etc., after the meeting, President
Shagari came to us and said he needed our help. He told us that he
called for a dinner and the senators refused to attend because they were
angry with him
because he refused to allow them to fix their remuneration. So, that is
why he needed our help and we told him that we have no alternative but
to help him because if he allows them at the federal level, members of
the state House of Assembly will do same to us.
In spite of the sharp
difference between the parties, especially the NPN and the UPN, we came
together for our own common interest to support the President. A
committee of governors was formed to advise the President. At the end,
we
recommended maximum remuneration for all public officers both
politicians and civil servants. We submitted our recommendations to the
President which he presented at a press conference but that did not go
down well with the National Assembly members as they came up with war
against the President and the governors. They threatened to remove the
President. They were callous and vicious. At the end, President Shagari
allowed them to decide their own remuneration and that was what opened
the floodgate of corruption in Nigeria today.
I don’t know whether
Buhari was aware of this history because he was not a politician but he
needs to be aware of this as a leader. Now, is he going to allow himself
to suffer the consequences Shagari suffered as a result of failure to
contain the greed
of the members of the National Assembly? We are not just talking the
holistic of their remuneration, which is up to 10 items, but we are only
talking about one item. Now, should Buhari allow it after knowing that
the root of the NPN problem where he could not perform was because he
could
not restrain the National Assembly from demanding and getting what they wanted?
Barely one month now, President Buhari has not been able to form the
Federal Executive Council, what do you think is responsible to this?
Nobody can be comfortable with the level of arrangement so far,
particularly, when I can see the kind of coordination in a negative
sense between the center and the state, just as the president could not
constitute his federal executive council, so also the states have not.
That means there is a conspiracy otherwise it will not happen like this.
It is disappointing, particularly, at the federal level. Buhari is not
new in this position. He was military Head of State. Before even being
sworn in, he should have known who to appoint as ministers and also
announced them within two days after inauguration but this has not
happened. Why it has not happened I don’t know but I pray it is not the
beginning of
incompetence.
What is the implication of the delay in executive appointments?
The danger in this is that foreign countries will not do business with
him, knowing that he has no team. Then, those that decide to deal with
him will be taking risk and they know it. Secondly, the country will
doubt its direction because even in Nigeria, businessmen will be
interested in the ministers they are going to be dealing with but they
don’t know. The delay has shown that something is wrong with the
leadership.
Credit: National Daily